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A women in western Canada flew to the U S to have her record 8 kids you told us there was a bed shortage so why do you fly in a high risk?
A English actress had a skiing accident in eastern Canada she was air-vaced over night to the U S you told us she was already dead So why over night with a doctor? Don't you investigate accidental deaths in Canada?
Why did one of your government ministers come to the U S to have his operation?
Why did you want to pull the plug on baby Joseph?
I know you well want to clear all this up as our site were alive with you Canucks telling us of your free and better health care
Awaiting your insightful replies
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While I don't claim that the Canadian Health Care system is perfect, I do believe it is better than the American system. That said, even if Canada had a similar health care system as the U.S, there would still be people that crossed the boarder. For different reasons.
Large American cities are sometimes closer than large Canadian cities. Cities such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, are few and far between. So it's sometimes its faster to go to an American city. An example is Windsor, which is about 5h from Toronto, but just across the bridge from Detroit. Large cities, also, develop expertise in certain fields. Such as Oncology, Pediatrics, Neurology, Cardiology, and so on. Again, Canada has has only 3 major cities, where as the U.S has many.
Just because a few Canadian go to the U.S for health care, doesn't makes the American system better. It's just a red herring. There is a growing amount of Americans traveling to third world countries, like India, to get treatment. Does that mean that India has better health care?
As for baby Joseph. I want to know what you think of the following article.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/22/17708861.html
While I don't claim that the Canadian Health Care system is perfect, I do believe it is better than the American system. That said, even if Canada had a similar health care system as the U.S, there would still be people that crossed the boarder. For different reasons.
Large American cities are sometimes closer than large Canadian cities. Cities such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, are few and far between. So it's sometimes its faster to go to an American city. An example is Windsor, which is about 5h from Toronto, but just across the bridge from Detroit. Large cities, also, develop expertise in certain fields. Such as Oncology, Pediatrics, Neurology, Cardiology, and so on. Again, Canada has has only 3 major cities, where as the U.S has many.
Just because a few Canadian go to the U.S for health care, doesn't makes the American system better. It's just a red herring. There is a growing amount of Americans traveling to third world countries, like India, to get treatment. Does that mean that India has better health care?
As for baby Joseph. I want to know what you think of the following article.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/22/17708861.html
Can my Canadian partner apply for another visa during her 2 year Tier 5 Youth Mobility scheme visa?
Q. My partner is a Canadian citizen who has been in the UK on a tier 5 youth mobility scheme since April 2009. We have been together for around 3 years and we spent the first year traveling back and forth from Canada & Scotland to be together (I am a UK citizen). We have recently fallen pregnant together and we are planning on getting married in January 2011, with the baby being due around May. My partners visa runs out April 2011 (1 month before our due date) and we are wondering if anyone can give us any ideas about her staying in the UK to have the baby.
The youth mobility scheme doesnt seem to offer too much options from what I have read on the government websites so we are wondering if anyone out there has been in the same situation or if anyone else has a better knowledge than us.
We would be grateful if you could give us any guidance from the above information and let us know what our options are about my partner remaining in the UK after April 2009. Can we apply to have her visa status changed? Is she entitled by law to remain here to have the baby as I am a UK citizen? Any information/guidance anyone can give us will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Thanks for your answer Ozmaniac.
We are both older than 21 so that shouldn't cause a problem.
As the father of the child and myself being a UK citizen, why on earth would the person who is carrying my baby not be allowed to have the birth in th UK. Basically the government are telling me that I dont have any rights have the birth of my child in my homeland. Does that seem right? It seems very very steep to me.
This is one of the many reasons I have been thinking about leaving this country, never to return.
The youth mobility scheme doesnt seem to offer too much options from what I have read on the government websites so we are wondering if anyone out there has been in the same situation or if anyone else has a better knowledge than us.
We would be grateful if you could give us any guidance from the above information and let us know what our options are about my partner remaining in the UK after April 2009. Can we apply to have her visa status changed? Is she entitled by law to remain here to have the baby as I am a UK citizen? Any information/guidance anyone can give us will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Thanks for your answer Ozmaniac.
We are both older than 21 so that shouldn't cause a problem.
As the father of the child and myself being a UK citizen, why on earth would the person who is carrying my baby not be allowed to have the birth in th UK. Basically the government are telling me that I dont have any rights have the birth of my child in my homeland. Does that seem right? It seems very very steep to me.
This is one of the many reasons I have been thinking about leaving this country, never to return.
Answer
The YMS section of the UKBA website states:
"While you are in the United Kingdom under the youth mobility scheme, you are not allowed to switch into any other category of the points-based system or in to a visitor route."
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier5/youthmobilityscheme/eligibility/whocanapply/
Applying for permission to remain as the partner of a British citizen is neither on the points-based system nor is it a visitor route so after your marriage, there is nothing in the YMS restrictions to stop her applying to remain as your partner if all other requirements are met. You must both be over 21.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/partnersandfamilies/partners/husbandswivescivilpartners/
Because your partner is subject to immigration control, she will probably need to apply for a Certificate of Approval to marry. The procedure and any grounds for exemption from the requirement are detailed on the following:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/while-in-uk/marriageandcivilpartnership/
She has no entitlement to stay in the UK just because she is having a child with a British citizen and I can't see any other way for her to stay if she is under 21 and therefore ineligible to stay as your partner.
EDIT:
I know it's difficult to accept, but every country has the right to control as far as possible, who stays in that country and they do that by the issuing of visas to enable them to stay legally. If they simply allowed people who were part of a couple that was expecting a child to stay purely on that basis with little or no evidence of commitment to the relationship, the floodgates would open and every second student and visitor would be doing it. I know that Australia, Canada, the USA wouldn't allow her to stay unless she qualified for a spouse/partner visa and don't know of any other developed country that would be any different.
You intend marrying in January and your partner's visa doesn't expire until April so sorry, but I really can't see any problem. Just have her apply to stay on the basis of her marriage to a British citizen and she
will not only be able to stay for the birth but for as long as she wishes after that and, if I understand correctly the way things work in the UK, she'll even be able to have the NHS pick up the tab for the last stages of the pregnancy and the birth. Have I missed something?
EDIT:
My apologies for confusing the issue further, but it has just been pointed out to me (by Maggie, arguably the most knowledgeable authority on UK immigration on Answers), that elsewhere on the UKBA site, it states "there is no right to apply to live permanently in the United Kingdom (known as 'settlement' or 'indefinite leave to remain') if you are here under the youth mobility scheme under tier 5 of the points-based system.
You cannot apply for settlement from tier 5 and the time you spend in any tier 5 category will not count towards any settlement you may apply for in the future."
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier5/youthmobilityscheme/settlement/
I believe that the statement above is very ambiguous because applying for limited leave to remain for a spouse is not applying for settlement, but I confess that I'm no longer sure that your partner will be able to stay on as I suggested above. I think you need professional advice. Start with the UKBA, but be prepared to pay for advice from an immigration lawyer or agent.
Good luck to both (all!) of you - hope it all works out without too many problems.
The YMS section of the UKBA website states:
"While you are in the United Kingdom under the youth mobility scheme, you are not allowed to switch into any other category of the points-based system or in to a visitor route."
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier5/youthmobilityscheme/eligibility/whocanapply/
Applying for permission to remain as the partner of a British citizen is neither on the points-based system nor is it a visitor route so after your marriage, there is nothing in the YMS restrictions to stop her applying to remain as your partner if all other requirements are met. You must both be over 21.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/partnersandfamilies/partners/husbandswivescivilpartners/
Because your partner is subject to immigration control, she will probably need to apply for a Certificate of Approval to marry. The procedure and any grounds for exemption from the requirement are detailed on the following:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/while-in-uk/marriageandcivilpartnership/
She has no entitlement to stay in the UK just because she is having a child with a British citizen and I can't see any other way for her to stay if she is under 21 and therefore ineligible to stay as your partner.
EDIT:
I know it's difficult to accept, but every country has the right to control as far as possible, who stays in that country and they do that by the issuing of visas to enable them to stay legally. If they simply allowed people who were part of a couple that was expecting a child to stay purely on that basis with little or no evidence of commitment to the relationship, the floodgates would open and every second student and visitor would be doing it. I know that Australia, Canada, the USA wouldn't allow her to stay unless she qualified for a spouse/partner visa and don't know of any other developed country that would be any different.
You intend marrying in January and your partner's visa doesn't expire until April so sorry, but I really can't see any problem. Just have her apply to stay on the basis of her marriage to a British citizen and she
will not only be able to stay for the birth but for as long as she wishes after that and, if I understand correctly the way things work in the UK, she'll even be able to have the NHS pick up the tab for the last stages of the pregnancy and the birth. Have I missed something?
EDIT:
My apologies for confusing the issue further, but it has just been pointed out to me (by Maggie, arguably the most knowledgeable authority on UK immigration on Answers), that elsewhere on the UKBA site, it states "there is no right to apply to live permanently in the United Kingdom (known as 'settlement' or 'indefinite leave to remain') if you are here under the youth mobility scheme under tier 5 of the points-based system.
You cannot apply for settlement from tier 5 and the time you spend in any tier 5 category will not count towards any settlement you may apply for in the future."
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier5/youthmobilityscheme/settlement/
I believe that the statement above is very ambiguous because applying for limited leave to remain for a spouse is not applying for settlement, but I confess that I'm no longer sure that your partner will be able to stay on as I suggested above. I think you need professional advice. Start with the UKBA, but be prepared to pay for advice from an immigration lawyer or agent.
Good luck to both (all!) of you - hope it all works out without too many problems.
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